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Terrible Surgeon · Nov 26, 2011, 06:06 AM // 06:06

In my honest opinion, onslaught has become the new primal rage (before the last Prage nerf) with the exception that Onslaught does not deal double damage to the user. Nerfing Prage like they did makes little sense now. I would like to see Onslaught nerfed to something similar to that of the current primal rage or buff Primal rage ,maybe remove the double damage?

tealspikes · Nov 26, 2011, 08:51 AM // 08:51

How does buffing prage solve the onslaught problem?

Fluffy Kittens · Nov 26, 2011, 09:07 AM // 09:07

Nerf onslaught and people will play baltha derv which are pretty much equally strong. Flash enches are problem and main thing which makes dervs so strong. Also, I'm sure primal rage lasted more than 5/6 seconds (ignoring extend ench skill now).

Coast · Nov 26, 2011, 10:18 AM // 10:18

revert p rage(energy stance) and warrior endurance(skill), roar strong wars!

il Priscilla il · Nov 26, 2011, 10:41 AM // 10:41

Agree with coast, I miss WE war in da pvpz

Elnino · Nov 26, 2011, 11:04 AM // 11:04

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Originally Posted by il Priscilla il

Agree with coast, I miss WE war in da pvpz

I miss those days too

. But no, the solution should always be to nerf the problem rather than introduce new ones.

Coast · Nov 26, 2011, 11:08 AM // 11:08

wouldn't be a new problem, just old ones put back again+derv still better!

Gruff · Nov 26, 2011, 12:11 PM // 12:11

/NERF Dervs still do far to many things to a better / unpunished level than other classes.

shinta_himura · Nov 26, 2011, 05:20 PM // 17:20

We've had to put up with "you're wearing a skirt" for several years so ya'll can step off our OP builds now, thanks.

We deservish it

Dervish power

Way2dead · Nov 26, 2011, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Only thing is that onslaught needs a second skill, i don't think onslaught is the real problem with dervs anyway. Like those grenth dervs pumping out tons of pressure (and lots not even playing with max damage scythe....) and like said before, balthazar too

Reverend Dr · Nov 26, 2011, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Don't buff anything

Every single issue in this game (both PvE and PvP) is either directly caused by past buffs or confounded so much by these buffs that they are nearly impossible to address.

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Originally Posted by il Priscilla il

Agree with coast, I miss WE war in da pvpz

With that build I literally bound 5 skills and the C button to my spacebar. I'm not being hyperbolic. Other than using frenzy, the rest of this build can be performed by mashing a single button repeatedly.

AndrewSX · Nov 26, 2011, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Onslaught was actually hit already, but only in duration/recharge rate, which isn't wrong, but not the right way imo, mostly cause if you need it is enough add another skill (read:extend enchs, or +20% duration scythe anyway) to make it perma, defeating the point of the change.
So turn back the old duration, but remove part of the ench instead....IMS + IAS is already broken, but if you add IncreasedAdrenalineGain it is even worse imo.

Btw, i don't know which one of the 3 should go tbh.

Ah, and do NOT buff stuff to get something else on par. If you make something over the top, nerf it, don't send him friends.

Coast · Nov 26, 2011, 07:47 PM // 19:47

meh, the games balance sucks.
Can't break it much more tbh unfortunatly..

Rob Roy The Divine · Nov 27, 2011, 05:01 AM // 05:01

buffing things is how the powercreep which has basically destroyed any form of balance in this game started

dont buff anything. nerf anything which could be considered "OP" and try and get a sort of balance before you even look at buffing anything

shinta_himura · Nov 27, 2011, 02:37 PM // 14:37

"lots not even playing with max damage scythe...."

What?

Why would a guild not give their dervs a max scythe?

Xenomortis · Nov 27, 2011, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

In my honest opinion, onslaught has become the new primal rage (before the last Prage nerf) with the exception that Onslaught does not deal double damage to the user. Nerfing Prage like they did makes little sense now.

Nerfing Primal Rage made total sense.
Onslaught's buff is the source of confusion.

Terrible Surgeon · Nov 27, 2011, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Either way you look at it, buffing prage or nerfing onslaught would be fine. I just didnt think it made sense to remake prage under a different class. Which was basically the case when onslaught was reworked.

fowlero · Nov 27, 2011, 04:56 PM // 16:56

To reiterate reverend, buff nothing.

Onslaught isn't a problem, skills that alter the behaviour of other skills are and always have been a problem. Nerf Extend Enchantments and Onslaught would be much less powerful.

Same problem with humsig and mantra.

Xenomortis · Nov 27, 2011, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Terrible Surgeon

Either way you look at it, buffing prage or nerfing onslaught would be fine.

What on earth makes you think that?
These two skills don't operate in a vacuum you know.

Swingline · Nov 27, 2011, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by fowlero

To reiterate reverend, buff nothing.

Onslaught isn't a problem, skills that alter the behaviour of other skills are and always have been a problem. Nerf Extend Enchantments and Onslaught would be much less powerful.

Same problem with humsig and mantra.

I agree. It's like the argument with Shadowform. People just target the elites because they stand out the most but it's the regular skills that push the elite over the edge of OP like Shroud of Distress.